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The Simplex - Grassy - 11-19-2021
Here is a razor that I've never seen before. I just won this on the bay, I haven't received it yet but thought I would ask here, while I wait, to see if anyone has any information on it.
Pictures are from the bay and it is of British manufacture, pat no. 12224/12.
I've had no luck finding anything but would be interested to know something about it.
It has an interesting approach to holding the blade and I'm hoping it might hold a wedge or Gem blade, I'll have to wait and see.
RE: The Simplex - Dave in KY - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 08:36 PM)Grassy Wrote: Here is a razor that I've never seen before. I just won this on the bay, I haven't received it yet but thought I would ask here, while I wait, to see if anyone has any information on it.Cool score. Waits shows a bunch of variants of the unmentionable Simplex but there is one that took a wedge blade which yours shows the typical stropper for a wedge. Simplex Best Quality......Not a lot of info though and says Manufacture unknown. Not much but all I have right now. riverrun hopefully can come thru
Pictures are from the bay and it is of British manufacture, pat no. 12224/12.
I've had no luck finding anything but would be interested to know something about it.
It has an interesting approach to holding the blade and I'm hoping it might hold a wedge or Gem blade, I'll have to wait and see.
RE: The Simplex - Grassy - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 08:46 PM)Dave in KY Wrote:(11-19-2021, 08:36 PM)Grassy Wrote: Here is a razor that I've never seen before. I just won this on the bay, I haven't received it yet but thought I would ask here, while I wait, to see if anyone has any information on it.Cool score. Waits shows a bunch of variants of the unmentionable Simplex but there is one that took a wedge blade which yours shows the typical stropper for a wedge. Simplex Best Quality......Not a lot of info though and says Manufacture unknown. Not much but all I have right now. riverrun hopefully can come thru
Pictures are from the bay and it is of British manufacture, pat no. 12224/12.
I've had no luck finding anything but would be interested to know something about it.
It has an interesting approach to holding the blade and I'm hoping it might hold a wedge or Gem blade, I'll have to wait and see.
Thanks Intersting, might be a lead. Although it is a German company it could have been British made. I'm thinking it probably took a wedge although many early flat blade razors also came with a stropper.
I'll have to Google some more.
RE: The Simplex - Old Sarge - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 08:59 PM)Grassy Wrote:(11-19-2021, 08:46 PM)Dave in KY Wrote: Cool score. Waits shows a bunch of variants of the unmentionable Simplex but there is one that took a wedge blade which yours shows the typical stropper for a wedge. Simplex Best Quality......Not a lot of info though and says Manufacture unknown. Not much but all I have right now. riverrun hopefully can come thru
Thanks Intersting, might be a lead. Although it is a German company it could have been British made. I'm thinking it probably took a wedge although many early flat blade razors also came with a stropper.
I'll have to Google some more.
Cool score Grassy!
It's refreshing to see a seller provide photos that adequately show you what you are buying. +1 to that guy! 
RE: The Simplex - Grassy - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 09:19 PM)Old Sarge Wrote:(11-19-2021, 08:59 PM)Grassy Wrote: Thanks Intersting, might be a lead. Although it is a German company it could have been British made. I'm thinking it probably took a wedge although many early flat blade razors also came with a stropper.
I'll have to Google some more.
Cool score Grassy!
Yeah, good seller. I think he sells a few razors and had spent some time trying to get some info on this one to no avail. I asked him where he found it but he couldn't remember except to say it would have been Australia. If I find more I will let him know, I think he'd be interested.
RE: The Simplex - riverrun - 11-20-2021
(11-19-2021, 08:46 PM)Dave in KY Wrote: riverrun hopefully can come thru
Let's see if I can help. First of all, I searched for the patent number:
(11-19-2021, 08:36 PM)Grassy Wrote: Pictures are from the bay and it is of British manufacture, pat no. 12224/12.
Turns out, that patent is for a "Drying chamber".
I looked closer at the pictures and the patent number is actually 11224/12.
Or as Britsh patents from that area are now numbered GB191211224
And here it is:
https://razors.click/patents/GB191211224/
Loeb and Twigg, the inventors, also invented the "Maws Ajusta" razor at about the same time (see Waits)
http://razors.click/patents/GB191203936/
RE: The Simplex - Dave in KY - 11-20-2021
(11-20-2021, 10:29 PM)riverrun Wrote:(11-19-2021, 08:46 PM)Dave in KY Wrote: riverrun hopefully can come thru
Let's see if I can help. First of all, I searched for the patent number:
(11-19-2021, 08:36 PM)Grassy Wrote: Pictures are from the bay and it is of British manufacture, pat no. 12224/12.
Turns out, that patent is for a "Drying chamber".
I looked closer at the pictures and the patent number is actually 11224/12.
Or as Britsh patents from that area are now numbered GB191211224
And here it is:
https://razors.click/patents/GB191211224/
Loeb and Twigg, the inventors, also invented the "Maws Ajusta" razor at about the same time (see Waits)
http://razors.click/patents/GB191203936/
I knew you could come thru
RE: The Simplex - riverrun - 11-20-2021
(11-19-2021, 08:59 PM)Grassy Wrote: Thanks Intersting, might be a lead. Although it is a German company it could have been British made. I'm thinking it probably took a wedge although many early flat blade razors also came with a stropper.
I'll have to Google some more.
The patent is clear: the razor takes thin blades. The slot in the stropper is too narrow for wedge blades as well. I bet a modern GEM blade should do the trick.
RE: The Simplex - Grassy - 11-21-2021
(11-20-2021, 10:29 PM)riverrun Wrote:(11-19-2021, 08:46 PM)Dave in KY Wrote: riverrun hopefully can come thru
Let's see if I can help. First of all, I searched for the patent number:
(11-19-2021, 08:36 PM)Grassy Wrote: Pictures are from the bay and it is of British manufacture, pat no. 12224/12.
Turns out, that patent is for a "Drying chamber".
I looked closer at the pictures and the patent number is actually 11224/12.
Or as Britsh patents from that area are now numbered GB191211224
And here it is:
https://razors.click/patents/GB191211224/
Loeb and Twigg, the inventors, also invented the "Maws Ajusta" razor at about the same time (see Waits)
http://razors.click/patents/GB191203936/
WOW! Thanks for looking that up, that is some great information and much appreciated.
So when looking up a British patent the last number is the year and needs to be in full preceded by GB, that is useful knowledge . And check you have the number written down right (doh) I think I took that from the ebay add but I should have checked, sorry.
The patent seems to be suggesting an improvement over a clamped unmentionable razor like a Gillette and ignoring razors like the Gem Junior which already used stops and a spring at the back on a thin blade. The cap is not necessary to the design.
Anyway thanks again for the really helpful information.
(11-20-2021, 10:54 PM)riverrun Wrote:(11-19-2021, 08:59 PM)Grassy Wrote: Thanks Intersting, might be a lead. Although it is a German company it could have been British made. I'm thinking it probably took a wedge although many early flat blade razors also came with a stropper.
I'll have to Google some more.
The patent is clear: the razor takes thin blades. The slot in the stropper is too narrow for wedge blades as well. I bet a modern GEM blade should do the trick.
That would be the icing on the cake if I could just pop an unmodified Gem straight in!
P.S. if any new members have not seen the razors.click site you should take a look as there is a lot of great information. I particularly like the ASR timeline but there is much more
RE: The Simplex - Grassy - 11-24-2021
I'm happy to say the Simplex fits a Gem blade very nicely. The original blades may have been a tad wider and a touch deeper but the Gem fits behind the stops nicely and is held firm by the springs.
I'll have to take it for a run soon.